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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague and today is a

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very special post alien con a suit

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alien con ran November 9th through the

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11th in Baltimore Maryland and it was a

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huge success for this conventions first

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East Coast outing from what I'm told the

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numbers far exceeded their expectations

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so much so that they've already

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announced their next stop in Los Angeles

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California in mid-june of 2019 it was a

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fun insightful and busy weekend full of

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panels lectures special events and of

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course H & Aliens which is the main

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focus of this convention and no matter

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your thoughts on the ancient alien

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theory the convention has opened the

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doors to the UFO research community like

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never before

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hard hitters like Richard Dolan

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Alejandro Rojas Jason McClellan Steven

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Bassett Linda Moulton Howe Nick Pope and

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many others were there all week

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providing insight on their latest

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research popular experiencer and

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lecturer Travis Walton was also in

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attendance and so so many contributors

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to the ancient aliens TV show that I

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can't even keep track you'll hear from

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one of them in a little while while I

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was there to give talks moderate panels

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and spread the word about someone the

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skies I was also there to meet new

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people in here are their stories so for

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any new listeners who may have been an

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alien Khan thank you for joining us and

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thank you for your support

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Jason McClellan and I were in full force

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representing our company rogue planet we

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recorded a live podcast recording with

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an audience and you'll hear that entire

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episode in the very near future we also

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give a talk on UFOs in pop culture and I

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personally facilitated an experiencer

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session where people shared their UFO

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and contact encounters I was told it was

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one of the highest attended events

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outside of the main hall if you're

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listening thank you to everyone who

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shared their stories that day

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but today I have probably the most epic

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list of guests you could possibly

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imagine joining me from alien Con when I

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had a few moments free I was able to hop

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on with many of the guests to record

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brief interviews all about their time

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their what they'd be talking about and

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what comes next in terms of UFOs aliens

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and their personal research I have to

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thank all of them for taking the time to

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do this in such a crazy atmosphere and

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just a warning the audio is gonna be a

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little different for a bunch of these

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because I literally use whatever I had

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on hand at the moment but rest assured

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it's worth it so first up I had the

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amazing opportunity to hear from loyal

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listener and attendee Patrick about his

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experiences at his first ever alien con

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and UFO themed convention alright so we

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are here at alien con baltimore 2018 and

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it is in saying it is saturday the

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second day of the event and we didn't

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yesterday but today we are gonna be

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bringing you a lot of content and first

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and foremost we have one of our loyal

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listeners and baltimore alien continents

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Andes Patrick with us Patrick how you

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doing man I'm doing good how you doing

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good so we have connected through social

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networks we've been chatting for months

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and months and months now about UFOs and

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cryptids and everything and correct me

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if I'm wrong you connected with me

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through Shannon the grow up into the

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fray right yes I did indeed the show

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into the fray and I loved it and I heard

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about you and Sam and everything so I

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follow you guys and then you did your

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shows summer in the skies and right so

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you found me through another show which

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is kind of how these things work

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we have interests you know I'm a UFO guy

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someone else is a cryptid guy someone's

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this that what really brought you into

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the world of UFOs and got you to

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actually come to an alien con I've

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always been fascinated by the paranormal

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UFOs Bigfoot ghosts everything I love

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mystery I love the idea that there's

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something more out there and I've always

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been in twist and since the internet and

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podcast came along

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there's more outlets to listen to what I

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love you know and I become obsessed now

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with Bigfoot but I do love UFOs and the

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idea that is there something out there

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and okay so I have to ask you this

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question on the spot a lot of people

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have been talking recently that all

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these things could be connected ghosts

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UFOs Bigfoot do you put any stock into

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that whole theory that all these things

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could be somehow intrinsically linked or

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are they completely separate in your

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opinion well I guess its life everything

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is linked in life somehow but I don't

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it's there's theories there's

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experiences out there a Bigfoot and UFOs

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and all that it's certainly worth to

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look into it but I don't feel it's

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connected so it could be I mean who

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knows I mean who knows that's kind of

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the basis of our whole are all existence

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here so this is the second day I know

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you've attended some events so far we've

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gone to a few panels ourselves what so

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far has been your most memorable

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experience here at alien con was it at

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Talk was it meeting someone what do you

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think I think so far it's it's the

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I just walked in you just started and I

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think there's people standing up and

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talking about their experiences and then

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I realize you know there's people here

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that have experiences and and they're up

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there putting themselves out and telling

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them and it could be short it could be a

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long experiences but it's a big deal for

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them and it's a big deal to have this

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event here for people because you know I

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have a lot of friends I thought I was

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coming they were like kind of looking at

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me and laughing they you know and but

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it's good to see that there's people

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interest in this and that I'm not alone

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you know on this you know and it's even

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even as a person who's just interested

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in the subject it's still people mocking

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you you know and say why you internet

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for you know it's an interested to

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curiosity and if you're curious about

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life you got to be curious about this

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you know who didn't put it better myself

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there's people here in all walks of life

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and at all different belief systems but

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they have this one thing in common it's

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to find answers is there life out there

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in the universe I have to thank you for

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saying somewhere in the skies your check

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is in the mail for that anything else

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what else exciting have you done here

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well I got to see michael dorn I'm gonna

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hopefully get an autograph for him but

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I'm a big Star Trek fan and it's it's

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great to have access to him and to hear

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his point of view about life his work on

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Star Trek and all that so the Star Trek

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is a big influence to me and the good

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thing about Star Trek it's it makes you

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use your imagination about what's out

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it was the possibilities you know and I

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think that's connected to UFOs because

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you know when you see a UFO here by UFOs

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you think what's out there what other

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alien civilizations are there so I love

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the connection of Star Trek and UFOs

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know that it's a very interesting mix at

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this convention of actual legitimate UFO

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research and science fiction and the two

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always seem to be connected somehow

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influenced one another which Jason and I

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are going to be talking about at our

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UFOs and pop culture talk so are there

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any sort of alien themed TV shows or

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movies beachside Star Trek that really

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resonate with you that could give us

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some some information about the actual

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UFO phenomenon I can't think of any

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offense but again I got to go back to

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Star Trek it just sparks the imagination

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so is it is the preeminent show that

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what could happen when what could be I

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always loved that about Star Trek I was

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a Star Wars guy so so we'll have to have

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that debate you can be both it's true

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why does there have to be black or white

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people here and yesterday especially

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there's like a lot of older people more

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more than average then you know so it's

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not just young people coming and

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dressing up it's all walks of life

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coming here and I found that very

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impressive absolutely that's a really

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good point you see a diversity here

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unlike any other sort of UFO convention

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or a paranormal convention you see and I

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think it's the one thing that can sort

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of bring everyone together you know our

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country seems to be divided right now in

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many ways but you come here and that's

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all brushed aside for at least three

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days and I think people are coming here

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looking for the idea that there's

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another planet that can escape to you at

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the moment you know I think people want

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to get off now with all the craziness

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going on you know and just you know

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could it be a rogue planet it could be

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like that one Patrick thank you so much

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for joining us

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on

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and somewhere in the skies and we hope

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you have a good time the rest of the

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convention I will and I know I will it

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was such a pleasure meeting Patrick

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carrying about what compelled him to

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attend and just the pure excitement he

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had gaining insight on the mysteries

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presented at the event thanks to Patrick

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and remember live long and prosper my

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friend next up was Karen bird and

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Alejandro Rojas of open minds and Co

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partners and owners of the International

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UFO Congress they were super busy

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throughout the week introducing a link

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on attendees to their endeavors and they

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had some of the most amazing merchandise

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I've ever seen on sale they had this

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anti-gravity flying saucer that was

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spinning and was actually blasting rock

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music music I have no idea how it worked

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but it was awesome but I digress let's

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hear about their experiences at alien

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panels Alejandro took pardon throughout

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the weekend I am here with Karen the

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here and how is alien con going I'm

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having a great time the Energy's really

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a big crowd but today is I think it's

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twice as big everybody is very friendly

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they're very interested I ask everybody

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if this is their first time to a UFO or

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alien conference and about 75% of them

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saying yes it is and they're very

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excited so it's really good thing to get

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people more into this field by having a

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non mainstream television and people

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feel more comfortable coming to

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something like that and hopefully

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they'll get interested enough to try

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some other conferences and get more into

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the subject so absolutely and I mean we

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just met a guy who was like 13 years old

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here came up to Jason McClellan and said

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I love your work so that that to me

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proves that there is a younger

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generation interested in this topic are

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you seeing like an influx of younger

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people getting involved in UFO research

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or even just coming to alien con what do

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you make of that whole thing I would say

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maybe not so much in your research but

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in just an interest yes they are very

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interested they get a lot of their

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information online as a

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- you know how we do so they might not

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give me at conferences as much if they

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have to travel or something like that

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but local conferences they really have

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been coming out like the other alien Con

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in Pasadena you ask young people are

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very excited about it and they like the

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whole fun idea about it - similar to a

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comic-con or something like that so they

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really love the energy and getting out

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amongst you know fellow fellow alien

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interest people and I mean your booth

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here is apparent that like this is

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mainstream people love this stuff you

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have endless amounts of alien

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merchandise here is there can we find

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this stuff online is this available just

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to alien con or how does that work well

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a lean con has its own website and they

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sell products that we sell at our own

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products on UFO Congress comm and you

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can get our t-shirts or hoodies our

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beanies our drawstring bags jewelry we

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have a lot of different things and so

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you can't get it online we just sold out

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of about a hundred stocking caps with

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aliens on it so we'll be getting some

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more of those if they want to go online

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and find that so selling a lot and

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people are are really excited to buy

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some things and buying gifts for their

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friends and family and not only that I

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mean you're getting the word out about

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the UFO Congress at another big event so

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I have to ask you I know it was recently

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announced when and where the UFO

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Congress is going to be next year so is

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there any info you can give us on that

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right now just that it is next September

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September 4th through 8th downtown

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Phoenix to Sheraton and you can go on go

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there on our website UFO Congress comm

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and find the link and you can reserve

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your room now and other than that about

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in about a month we'll be able to buy

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tickets and find out all the prices for

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the tickets so about a month and also if

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you would like to be a vendor and sell

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things you can also find that out in

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about a month on our website awesome I'm

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so excited I hope to be there even if

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I'm backstage you know volunteering I

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love the event and this has been great

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thank you so much thank you so much so

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Alejandro tell us what you've done so

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far here at island con what you got

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coming up all of it you are a busy man

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yeah so the first day on Friday I had a

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couple talks the first one was ETS and

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celebrities the second one was

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astronomers in UFOs

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and then today I was with Jason you're

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our buddy on a panel with Richard Dolan

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and Steve ambassador about post

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disclosure and then tomorrow I have a

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talk on spill burg so which is a lot of

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fun it's called spill break ufologists

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it's about the cases they're really cool

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real cases that inspired a lot of his

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movies yeah I'm really looking forward

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to that one

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we're gonna be doing a panel on UFOs in

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pop culture which believes a lot into

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what you're doing

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we have Project Blue Book the new

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History Channel show here as well so

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it's really cool to see

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Hynek Blue Book all these things that we

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know a lot about getting out to the

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mainstream so I have to ask you what is

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your perception of alien con what it's

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done to get this topic out there what

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are your thoughts on all that I love I

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first of all I'd love to see the big

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History Channel presents because I'm

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very excited about the project Bluebook

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I've been wearing my Ryan Sprague Hynek

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t-shirt it's my favorite new t-shirt I

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love it thanks for the plug all right so

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I'm excited about awareness coming to

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the show because I think that show is

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going to bring awareness at the US Air

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Force really did real UFO investigations

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and that people like Hynek and others

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involved with the project you know did

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not come to the same conclusion that the

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mystery was nothing to be paid attention

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to so when it comes to alien Kondo I

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think it's great that it brings

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awareness I mean some people have gotten

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upset with me for speaking why are you

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doing alien con you know attention

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aliens but I love it when we have a

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crowd full of people and I've had this

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experience several times this year in

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last year and you remember this we were

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on a panel together and I asked how many

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of you were aware of the New York Times

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article and very few people raised their

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hand so at least then were able to

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educate them about all of these other

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things that they're not aware of in fact

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Steve Bassett asked at the beginning of

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this panel we were in that was packed

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how many of you have been to an alien

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conner or convention before and almost

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everybody raised their hand so it just

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shows you how much awareness you know

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this is all bringing out to the public

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which i think is a very good thing

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absolutely that was one of the best

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panels I've seen today on a post

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disclosure world some amazing questions

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very insightful questions as well you

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know q and A's can be deadly we both

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know that but that was an amazing

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presentation I can't wait to see what

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you're doing tomorrow and we have the

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UFO Congress coming one September so

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yeah everybody go to UFO Congress comm

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and you could see more information and

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we'll be getting a lot more information

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out in the coming weeks but extremely

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excited about it it's going to be

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downtown near the Convention Center in

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Phoenix and the lineup that we're gonna

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have is I think people are really gonna

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enjoy it some being unique and different

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and we're living in I feel for this

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topic really incredible times I couldn't

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agree more thank you so much for your

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time Alejandra thank you it was so cool

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hearing Alejandra's talk on Steven

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Spielberg and also his contributions to

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a panel discussion featuring Steven

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Bassett Richard Dolan and Jason

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McClellan I was able to get a little raw

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audio from that discussion this starts

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after a question about the recent

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activity involving the oh mooie-mooie

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object that recently entered and left

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our solar system and how it could tie in

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to some sort of disclosure of alien life

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yeah I'm interested in that asteroid or

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that object as much as probably anybody

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else and I think that my expertise is

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about as much as anybody else's as well

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I mean if you have one very prominent

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astrophysicist who said this looks

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artificial and that's quite significant

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then you have an entire community of

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astronomers and other colleagues who say

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no it's not at all that's crazy talk so

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I don't know I think it's interesting as

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anyone who's looked at this asteroid

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it's very physically interesting it

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doesn't seem to look like an asteroid so

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my approach as a complete layperson in

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this area is to say maybe and that's

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about the best I could say I wouldn't

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consider a disclosure in any other

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genuine sense unless with this proviso

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there are other scientists who really

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have some expertise in this and are

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willing to put themselves out on the

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line and a public discourse and actually

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have it out and just say no I agree with

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this other individual and there's at

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least reason to conclude that it's

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artificial but that's the most I could

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say I do think that we're moving this is

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just segwaying but I think our

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civilization our society is moving at a

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faster and faster pace in terms of

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disclosure and when I I wrote a book

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after disclosure eight years ago now and

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at that point history was moving even

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then a lot slower it seemed to me

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things are just speeding up and I would

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not be surprised if something is forced

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in terms of a truly open admission of

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some sort doesn't mean it'll be truthful

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but it doesn't mean that the subject

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will be at least somewhat out on the

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table for a public that's discussion and

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that's a good start going on oh yeah I

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wanted to comment that it's called Oh

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mwah mwah so you're pretty close but

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what's interesting about it is the idea

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that it could be extraterrestrial was

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offered by a Harvard scientist in a

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paper that's coming out on the 16th and

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that's what I think is really

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significant is that there's kind of this

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trend where these guys aren't afraid to

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like I think saying hula giorgio and

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saying it might be aliens and we see

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this in this instance and there's

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another situation it's called happy

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stars or they've seen this star that's

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dimming in a strange pattern and again

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in a scientific paper the scientists

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themselves who did the analysis offered

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up this could be due to extraterrestrial

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technology so it's kind of I don't know

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if it's Giorgio having influence or you

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know all of us and our worth having

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influence but luckily scientists are

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willing to go there and I would say also

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that you know scientists these days are

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coming out of college are pretty young

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but the younger people by far when you

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look at the statistics are open to this

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idea it's not a big deal

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like older people where you know they're

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a little bit more hesitant to even talk

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about the topic Jason McClellan was then

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asked about his thoughts on how younger

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people would react to the indisputable

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announcement of alien life his response

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was rather interesting I have a question

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how many introduct I won for Jason Oh

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Jason you've got podcast

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you've got blogs YouTube and a direct

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pipeline into the geek world so my

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question is this amongst the Millennials

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what are you getting from them in terms

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of how they think about disclosure or

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what they think might be coming and so

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forth well we talk to a lot of people at

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events UFO events but also a pop culture

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events like comic-con news and more and

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more and it always surprises me how like

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a lot hondo mentioned the the view of

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00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:37,610
the younger audience is one of like it's

545
00:21:42,190 --> 00:21:40,340
already accepted it's it's in and their

546
00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:42,200
minds already that yes

547
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:44,150
intelligent extraterrestrials exist yeah

548
00:21:49,210 --> 00:21:46,760
they're probably here why are we talking

549
00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:49,220
about it move on I think it's not a

550
00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:52,790
question of if or you know does does

551
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:55,070
that actually exist they assume that and

552
00:21:59,530 --> 00:21:57,650
don't see it as a topic of conversation

553
00:22:01,240 --> 00:21:59,540
that we need to have so you think that

554
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:01,250
the president were announced say a month

555
00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:02,570
from now or two months from now that yes

556
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:03,980
there's extraterrestrials here they

557
00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:05,450
would go yeah I knew that just go about

558
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:06,620
their business or they get really

559
00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:08,690
excited they get excited for two weeks

560
00:22:14,770 --> 00:22:12,340
they give a nice thumbs up on Facebook

561
00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:14,780
fair enough next question sir

562
00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:17,870
the topic of disclosure is perhaps one

563
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:20,230
of the most interesting sociological and

564
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:22,490
philosophical hypotheticals we have

565
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:25,610
within UFO discourse and it's panels

566
00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:27,980
like this that really get the mind

567
00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:30,980
turning what would you do in a post

568
00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:33,380
disclosure world I'd love to hear your

569
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:35,660
thoughts I'll put a tweet up asking this

570
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:38,090
very question and feel free to follow at

571
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:40,790
somewhere skies on Twitter to share your

572
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:43,970
response or also on our active Facebook

573
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:46,310
group if you're not a member ask for an

574
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:48,890
invite and I'll let you in just search

575
00:22:53,770 --> 00:22:50,810
Facebook for somewhere in the skies

576
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,780
podcast staying on the topic of

577
00:22:58,990 --> 00:22:56,480
disclosure i sat down with Steven

578
00:23:01,780 --> 00:22:59,000
Bassett head of the paradigm research

579
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,790
group UFO activists and lobbyists and

580
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:04,480
the organizer of the highly publicized

581
00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:08,090
citizens hearing on disclosure here's

582
00:23:13,540 --> 00:23:10,430
what he had to say about his talks and

583
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,550
where we are headed in terms of the UFO

584
00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:16,400
question and beyond Steven thank you for

585
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:19,100
joining me happy to be here this is my

586
00:23:24,550 --> 00:23:22,130
second alien con I was at Pasadena

587
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:24,560
I missed the first one the massive one

588
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,290
in San Francisco but that's cool and the

589
00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:30,320
reason I'm here is because after 13

590
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:34,520
years I finally got on the show you big

591
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:36,530
long enough and eventually somebody

592
00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:38,170
tries to you know tries to help you out

593
00:23:44,650 --> 00:23:40,790
but I was very proud to be on the first

594
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:44,660
opening duel episode of season 13 this

595
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:46,970
year and and they focused on the

596
00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:49,190
politics a lot and disclosure in other

597
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:51,860
words modern aliens and I got a

598
00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:53,570
substantial amount of presence on that

599
00:24:01,060 --> 00:23:55,550
and so they made me an alumnus and so I

600
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:01,070
get to convey link on and it's uh manoa

601
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:03,410
bout comic-con and how huge that is and

602
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:04,730
everything else you couldn't have done

603
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:06,830
this ten twelve years ago there's got no

604
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:09,980
way the et issue is is it's moving

605
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:12,500
completely out of the UFO and into the

606
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:14,030
disclosure error or the exopolitical

607
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:16,010
error what people are interested in now

608
00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:18,680
is not are there UFOs are real or not

609
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,940
but rather when's the government going

610
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:21,440
to confirm it when it's going to go or

611
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,230
pass it yeah we were into it

612
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:25,840
and and so whereas 40 50 years ago

613
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:29,110
people some researcher might get a group

614
00:24:33,629 --> 00:24:31,210
together in a basement of a library and

615
00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:33,639
talk about a sighting or something and

616
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:35,380
then people upstairs would think it's

617
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:36,250
all pretty funny

618
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,470
now we're getting together in major

619
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:40,960
convention centers with ten fifteen

620
00:24:45,659 --> 00:24:43,630
thousand people talking about disclose

621
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:45,669
you're talking about the the witnesses

622
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:47,850
and what-have-you this is of course

623
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:52,090
thanks to A&E and Kevin burns and this

624
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,980
most successful of all shows on the

625
00:24:59,340 --> 00:24:56,080
subject matter and History Channel as

626
00:25:02,399 --> 00:24:59,350
well and then of course History Channel

627
00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:02,409
is following up with another series on

628
00:25:07,049 --> 00:25:05,230
January 8th the the project blue book

629
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:07,059
series backed up by Robert Zemeckis

630
00:25:10,379 --> 00:25:08,529
which is a big presence here at a

631
00:25:12,029 --> 00:25:10,389
Lincoln as well it is I think the mural

632
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:12,039
for it there's about a hundred feet long

633
00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:16,360
and this is not happening because these

634
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,399
I mean guys like this a mecca's they

635
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,840
they think you do movies they can do

636
00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:21,279
anything they want I mean they could

637
00:25:24,389 --> 00:25:22,840
shoot for stuff that could be a hundred

638
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:24,399
million two hundred million dollars he's

639
00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:27,929
not doing a show on on on J Alan Hynek

640
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,789
because he just felt like doing it no

641
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:33,760
they know that something big is coming

642
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:36,070
they have a lot of contacts they're very

643
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:37,330
powerful people very well they have a

644
00:25:41,879 --> 00:25:39,460
lot of contacts and they know something

645
00:25:43,769 --> 00:25:41,889
is coming and they realized that boy

646
00:25:46,409 --> 00:25:43,779
this would be a time to get a show out

647
00:25:48,269 --> 00:25:46,419
about jail and hiding in Project Blue

648
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:48,279
Book and there's another show in the

649
00:25:54,539 --> 00:25:51,970
works on area 51 that I just heard about

650
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:54,549
I don't know if its history and there's

651
00:25:59,789 --> 00:25:57,190
a couple of others behind that so the

652
00:26:01,649 --> 00:25:59,799
things are approaching the break point

653
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:01,659
where know when something is going to

654
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:03,370
happen is going to force a government

655
00:26:06,659 --> 00:26:04,690
could be us could be another government

656
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:06,669
to make the formal announcement which

657
00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:08,049
confirms it and then they let's go

658
00:26:12,389 --> 00:26:10,179
around the world so for me being here

659
00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:12,399
I'll be in front of an audience of about

660
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:14,740
fifteen hundred I think three o'clock

661
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:17,740
today and and and getting the feedback

662
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:21,130
and feeling the energy is great it's

663
00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:22,570
it's what keeps me going

664
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:24,700
I've been at this for 22 years and it

665
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:26,760
wasn't exactly a high-paid deal okay

666
00:26:31,619 --> 00:26:29,470
it's an activist thing for me I'm an

667
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:31,629
activist so it's I'm basically trying to

668
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:34,090
represent the people's interest so this

669
00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:36,070
is what energizes me

670
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:38,020
and just thrilled to be here and I'm

671
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:41,020
looking forward to my next maybe slot on

672
00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:43,210
an ancient alien episode absolutely and

673
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:45,040
I'm sure we're gonna see at the UFO

674
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:46,530
Congress as well right

675
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:50,410
almost certainly and I'm already slated

676
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:52,630
for contact in the desert I think

677
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:54,010
there's already but I already got ten

678
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:56,020
conferences up listed for next year in

679
00:26:59,580 --> 00:26:57,460
terms of my listing I list all the

680
00:27:01,560 --> 00:26:59,590
conference's on my website paradigm

681
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:01,570
research group org I've already got ten

682
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:03,130
a couple of my brand new next year could

683
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:05,920
be huge I mean huge in terms of turnout

684
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:08,290
and so forth if what I think is going to

685
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:10,600
happen happens well I have to ask you we

686
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:13,030
heard recently that there are some

687
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:14,710
people who are going to be speaking to

688
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:17,530
congressional members now you but on the

689
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,350
citizens hearing so the fact that this

690
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:22,240
could be happening again that we're

691
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:24,100
actually getting someone in there to

692
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:25,810
talk what do you make of all that this

693
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:27,700
is there's very major developments going

694
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:31,360
on behind the scenes your listeners need

695
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:34,150
to go to to the stars Academy of Arts

696
00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:35,800
and Science their website it's easy to

697
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:37,720
find to the stars Academy and review

698
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,400
everything there this is a major

699
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:41,940
development it involves forming former

700
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:45,220
high-level intelligence insiders who are

701
00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:47,230
backed up by others inside they've

702
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:49,180
formed an organization and they've done

703
00:27:53,070 --> 00:27:51,700
some they've done some they released

704
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:53,080
some gun camera footage had done some

705
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:55,300
pretty powerful things however the

706
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:57,070
political situation now is so chaotic

707
00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:00,010
that it just wasn't getting the

708
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:01,240
reception it needed so they sort of

709
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:03,820
slowed things down and they're just kind

710
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:05,170
of slow walking it while they wait to

711
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,330
see how things are going to resolve and

712
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:09,760
what I have has been confirmed to me is

713
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:11,410
that one of the key people Louis

714
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,150
Elizondo has been going up on the hill

715
00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:15,520
for private meetings now they're not

716
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:16,630
saying who they're meeting with and

717
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:18,040
they're not really saying anything much

718
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:19,810
about that it's it's not intended to be

719
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:22,600
public really it's quiet because and

720
00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:23,530
none of the members are going to be

721
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:25,420
talking about it but they're basically

722
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:27,640
they're just that you know I try to get

723
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,590
to meet with these members too but I

724
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:31,360
don't have the I don't have the ends

725
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:32,770
that these people have I mean these are

726
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:35,920
high-level career dia ACIP people so

727
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:38,110
they're getting those meetings and a

728
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:39,910
word that's gonna lead I don't know but

729
00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:42,010
it's another sign that something is in

730
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:46,420
the works so if it's the political

731
00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:48,370
situation resolves by January early

732
00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:49,420
January

733
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:51,280
I intend to go back to Washington and

734
00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:53,080
get back into full-time lobbying in

735
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:54,160
other words I'm gonna get up on the hill

736
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:56,020
as well now I'm not gonna be getting

737
00:29:00,690 --> 00:28:57,610
probably the access that they are

738
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:00,700
however I do have some some insights and

739
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,730
some knowledge and I need to make some

740
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:05,440
contacts because eventually there's

741
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:06,940
gonna be a lot of people dealing with

742
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,490
this and and I want to represent the

743
00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:11,440
people's interest so I'm looking forward

744
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:13,060
to that but it all depends on the

745
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:14,530
political situation now which is you

746
00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:16,150
know is one of the most bizarre I've

747
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:18,580
ever seen in my lifetime and I know it

748
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:20,500
needs to hopefully get you know settle

749
00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:22,990
down things are moving fast and there's

750
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:26,440
no time to wait any longer so I really I

751
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:28,930
respect the work that you do I'm wishing

752
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:30,940
you all the best of luck and we're in

753
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:32,890
there we're in your corner man and I'm

754
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:35,560
wishing prometheus and may the best of

755
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:38,020
luck as well and I'm thinking that this

756
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:42,660
is the the alien archaeological

757
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:45,880
equivalent of the Simpsons or South Park

758
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:49,380
technically it can go on forever yep

759
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:52,480
thanks Steven wrapping up our threat on

760
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:54,850
disclosure I also got to speak with

761
00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:57,310
former Ministry of Defense employee and

762
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:00,340
head of their UFO investigation unit

763
00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:02,770
Nick Pope all about the recent

764
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,660
developments with the secret Pentagon

765
00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:08,080
UFO program to the stars Academy and

766
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:10,780
Nick's role as a media consultant and

767
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:12,750
journalist in the ever-expanding

768
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:16,360
mainstream coverage of UFOs Nick thanks

769
00:30:19,290 --> 00:30:18,370
so much for taking the time thank you

770
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:19,300
it's good to be here

771
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:21,730
how is alien con baltimore been for you

772
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,000
so far man it's full-on it's the great

773
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:28,720
mix of fascinating information and fun

774
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:31,240
- there's there's been presentations and

775
00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:34,630
panels but also the cosplay and and it's

776
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:36,700
a great mix it's a lot different from

777
00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:38,470
most UFO conferences would you say

778
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:41,920
absolutely this is a hybrid if you'll

779
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:45,030
excuse the pun between the conventional

780
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:47,770
UFO conference which is organized

781
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:49,870
I guess along the lines of a scientific

782
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:52,840
or academic conference and basically a

783
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:55,300
fan convention like Comic Con so what

784
00:31:00,300 --> 00:30:56,680
they've done is they've blended the two

785
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:00,310
and they've matched UFOs with science

786
00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:02,470
fiction so we've got actors here from

787
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,100
Doctor Who

788
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:05,919
Star Trek as well as the contributors to

789
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:08,169
ancient aliens yeah and I mean you have

790
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:09,910
been running around I can't believe I

791
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:11,470
got the time to actually talk to you

792
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:14,230
doing so many panels and solo

793
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:16,539
presentations so could you maybe tell us

794
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:17,980
a little about what you've spoken about

795
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:19,660
so far and what you got planned for the

796
00:31:24,539 --> 00:31:21,910
last day here yesterday I gave a

797
00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:24,549
presentation on government UFO secrecy

798
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:26,919
and they went into the reasons why

799
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:29,710
governments are secretive about this and

800
00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:31,450
they talked specifically of course about

801
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:32,980
the British government the Ministry of

802
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:35,320
Defence where I worked on this issue for

803
00:31:41,549 --> 00:31:37,870
many years and I talked also about the

804
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:41,559
Pentagon's UFO program a tip advanced

805
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:43,809
aerospace threat identification program

806
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:45,280
it's a bit of a mouthful and of course

807
00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:47,620
people debate whether it is advanced

808
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,620
aerospace or advanced aviation and when

809
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:52,960
when you can't even be certain what the

810
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:55,510
project was called you know that you're

811
00:32:00,299 --> 00:31:57,190
in some pretty spooky territory and

812
00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:00,309
another big thing that people have been

813
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:02,200
talking about EDD alien con here is your

814
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:04,630
new movie aliens at the Pentagon now I

815
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:06,250
know this sort of ties into a tip as

816
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:07,690
well so can you tell us a little about

817
00:32:18,029 --> 00:32:08,289
that

818
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:18,039
for many years the US government said we

819
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:20,409
no longer investigate UFOs we're not

820
00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:22,630
interested and it turned out they did so

821
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:24,070
actually this is one of these great

822
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:26,860
occasions where if the skeptics and the

823
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,870
debunkers were saying oh all you people

824
00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:30,760
like crazy for thinking that the

825
00:32:34,890 --> 00:32:33,070
government's doing this well turns out

826
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:34,900
they were right and the government was

827
00:32:40,289 --> 00:32:37,809
doing this and indeed is Lou Elizondo

828
00:32:43,409 --> 00:32:40,299
you know the DIA official who ran the

829
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:43,419
program says he and he's got contacts of

830
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:44,860
course still in the system the program

831
00:32:51,539 --> 00:32:47,470
is still active so aliens at the

832
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:51,549
Pentagon is my kind of insider's take

833
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:53,740
having run a similar program in the UK

834
00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:57,340
of how and why the US government is

835
00:33:01,740 --> 00:32:59,860
still investigating what they might have

836
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:01,750
concluded what they were working on and

837
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:05,380
how I can textual eyes it in in looking

838
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:07,000
at the broader picture of governmental

839
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:09,880
interest in UFOs the threats and the

840
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:11,290
opportunities which is how government

841
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:13,270
looks at this right I think that word

842
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,890
threat is extremely important in in

843
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:16,480
getting funding for a

844
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:18,760
such as that as well so with your

845
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:21,250
experience with working for a

846
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,110
governmental agency in terms of UFOs

847
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:25,840
where do you see the future of to the

848
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:28,780
stars going well I think to the stars

849
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:30,870
Academy have done some great work

850
00:33:36,990 --> 00:33:33,820
clearly they are pushing behind the

851
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,000
scenes for things like congressional

852
00:33:43,409 --> 00:33:40,480
hearings I am doing the same thing I had

853
00:33:46,169 --> 00:33:43,419
the opportunity to write a piece on this

854
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:46,179
for one of the UK's national daily

855
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:49,240
newspapers The Guardian and I went on to

856
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:52,660
Tucker Carlson tonight on Fox and talked

857
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:54,790
about how the Senate Armed Services

858
00:33:59,070 --> 00:33:56,440
Committee and the House Armed Services

859
00:34:02,610 --> 00:33:59,080
Committee are looking at a tip they are

860
00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:02,620
looking at the 2004 USS nimitz incident

861
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:04,900
where of course we see we've seen the

862
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:08,080
the videos of the f-18 Super Hornets and

863
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:11,350
chasing the UFOs so all this is going on

864
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,590
to the stars are involved in this I'm

865
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:17,200
doing some work with with my media

866
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:19,960
contacts and a few governmental contacts

867
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:21,510
that I still have even though I'm

868
00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:24,580
retired but no not entirely I guess

869
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:27,550
entirely yeah you never you never really

870
00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:30,040
leave as they as they say but yeah

871
00:34:35,849 --> 00:34:31,899
interesting times and what we've seen

872
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:35,859
with the a tip story is is how this

873
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:38,649
subject has come out of the fringe into

874
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:40,119
the mainstream who would have thought a

875
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:42,310
year ago that we would be reading about

876
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:44,200
this on the front page of the New York

877
00:34:51,899 --> 00:34:47,530
Times it would be in the post Politico a

878
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:51,909
CNN Fox NBC ABC etc it's become more

879
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:54,190
mainstream and widely accepted more than

880
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:56,260
ever so I have to ask you what is next

881
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,330
for you and where do you think we stand

882
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,640
in terms of possible disclosure I know

883
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:03,190
those are very big questions to ask if

884
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,890
you have what do you think well first of

885
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:08,560
all on disclosure I always like to say

886
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:09,880
that that's the difference between

887
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:12,490
disclosure with a big D and disclosure

888
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:14,980
with a little D disclosure with a big D

889
00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:17,800
is this kind of ladies and gentlemen you

890
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:20,350
know my fellow Americans people of the

891
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:22,780
world we are not alone and and that's

892
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:25,450
the kind of UFO community fantasy I

893
00:35:28,859 --> 00:35:26,500
don't think that will happen

894
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:28,869
I think what we will see is disclosure

895
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,850
with a little D

896
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,520
and one could argue that that is

897
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:34,440
occurring has occurred I think the

898
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:36,870
declassification and release of the UK

899
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:39,480
government's UFO FILES and I've played a

900
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,090
part in in that both behind the scenes

901
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:45,060
and as a spokesperson that's part of it

902
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:47,730
the revelations about a tip are also a

903
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:50,310
part of that and of course there is more

904
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,530
more to come on all of these stories I

905
00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:54,900
mean as to what's next for me personally

906
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,130
I've taken a step away from the UFO

907
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,320
subject from my latest project which is

908
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,300
an action thriller called Blood Brothers

909
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:05,940
I just you know I worked for the

910
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:07,790
Ministry of Defense for twenty-one years

911
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:10,410
only three of those years were actually

912
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,170
on the UFO program so I did for example

913
00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:16,160
my last job was much more to do with

914
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:18,840
counterterrorism intelligence that that

915
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:21,570
sort of thing so I have as I say taking

916
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:25,550
a new step written some fiction and

917
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:29,430
Blood Brothers is is out I think this

918
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:32,100
initial coming week is the publication

919
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:34,490
date and of course there is already

920
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:38,520
interest in film and TV rights for that

921
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:41,010
because it's it's an action thriller but

922
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:43,110
it also it's a I don't want to give too

923
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:45,800
much away but it's a body movie too so

924
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:48,690
and I enjoyed stepping away from the UFO

925
00:36:53,570 --> 00:36:51,510
subject but of course you can never

926
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,580
really get away from it as the old

927
00:36:59,090 --> 00:36:55,500
saying goes just when I thought I was

928
00:37:03,170 --> 00:36:59,100
out they pull me back in so absolutely

929
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:03,180
so I'm not I'm not going to stop working

930
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,530
to try and continue the process of of

931
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:09,660
keeping this subject in the public eye

932
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:12,390
I'm lucky enough to have mainstream

933
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:15,420
media contacts I will use that media

934
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:18,570
access to to keep this subject in the

935
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,430
spotlight to push for congressional

936
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,680
hearings we have congressional interest

937
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:24,720
but I'd like to see formal congressional

938
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:27,660
hearings and and it's it's it's never a

939
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:29,730
you know cut and dried issue it's a

940
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,220
process it's an ongoing process that was

941
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:34,500
very inspiring Nick I hope that happens

942
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:35,880
and I look forward to the future of

943
00:37:39,980 --> 00:37:37,500
everything you're doing and the future

944
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:39,990
of this topic that we all are you know

945
00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:42,270
intrinsically linked with so thank you

946
00:37:46,089 --> 00:37:43,579
so much for joining us

947
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:46,099
thank you considering a Lincoln is

948
00:37:51,789 --> 00:37:48,529
sponsored in part by the ancient aliens

949
00:37:53,949 --> 00:37:51,799
television show I couldn't not interview

950
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:53,959
one of the most popular individuals on

951
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:56,900
the show in my personal opinion this guy

952
00:38:01,749 --> 00:37:58,700
is probably the most insightful and

953
00:38:05,019 --> 00:38:01,759
grounded researchers to be featured in

954
00:38:08,799 --> 00:38:05,029
countless seasons and episodes and that

955
00:38:11,469 --> 00:38:08,809
is Rami Romani Rami is an Egyptologist

956
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:11,479
filmmaker and just all-around nice dude

957
00:38:15,549 --> 00:38:14,089
to chat with so here's a little bit

958
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:15,559
about what he talked about at his

959
00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:17,900
lectures and a sneak peek at his new

960
00:38:22,299 --> 00:38:20,509
book conspired thank you so much for

961
00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:22,309
joining me man thank you so much for

962
00:38:26,739 --> 00:38:24,349
having me right to finally meet you it's

963
00:38:29,289 --> 00:38:26,749
a huge honor so I have to ask you you

964
00:38:31,989 --> 00:38:29,299
are giving a talk today today is

965
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:31,999
Saturday and Sunday two different talks

966
00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:34,729
one on the history of Egypt one on mummy

967
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:36,200
so could you tell us a little bit about

968
00:38:38,859 --> 00:38:38,089
both of those for the people who aren't

969
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,869
going to make it here

970
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:41,119
well the first one is not just about the

971
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:42,950
history of Egypt it's about the biased

972
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:46,940
history of Egypt I am obsessed where the

973
00:38:52,089 --> 00:38:49,069
archeology and Egyptology but in a

974
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:52,099
different way I am obsessed with the

975
00:38:57,789 --> 00:38:54,759
unexplained I've studied all my life

976
00:39:00,670 --> 00:38:57,799
explanations that could make sense to

977
00:39:02,589 --> 00:39:00,680
big world mysteries in ancient Egypt and

978
00:39:04,329 --> 00:39:02,599
the problem is that it's the

979
00:39:07,539 --> 00:39:04,339
explanations that everyone comes

980
00:39:10,509 --> 00:39:07,549
together and agrees on with no facts and

981
00:39:13,299 --> 00:39:10,519
that's the problem for me the

982
00:39:16,029 --> 00:39:13,309
unexplained is what matters most and I

983
00:39:18,219 --> 00:39:16,039
think it's a group effort by everyone

984
00:39:20,259 --> 00:39:18,229
that listens by everyone that looks into

985
00:39:22,539 --> 00:39:20,269
it because everyone comes up with their

986
00:39:26,019 --> 00:39:22,549
own theory and one of them could be

987
00:39:28,809 --> 00:39:26,029
correct but the unexplained is my

988
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:28,819
passion and ancient Egypt has a lot of

989
00:39:33,309 --> 00:39:31,609
unexplained history we have so much we

990
00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:33,319
have so much archaeology from ancient

991
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:36,140
that we have found but even though

992
00:39:42,279 --> 00:39:39,680
that's the case it's only 10% of ancient

993
00:39:47,319 --> 00:39:42,289
Egypt 90% of ancient Egypt is still

994
00:39:51,249 --> 00:39:47,329
under the sands of Egypt so having a lot

995
00:39:53,769 --> 00:39:51,259
of mysteries still unexplained is the

996
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:53,779
reason I do this and it's fine if it's

997
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:56,150
unexplained 90% of ancient Egypt has not

998
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:56,900
been found

999
00:40:01,600 --> 00:39:59,180
it's fine if it's unexplained and that's

1000
00:40:03,730 --> 00:40:01,610
what I do I love them and a lot of the

1001
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:03,740
misconceptions with the whole ancient

1002
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:05,690
alien theory as well is I remember

1003
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:07,610
someone asks you this with when you have

1004
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,120
like one minute left to answer at a Q&A

1005
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:12,800
did aliens build the pyramids in Egypt

1006
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:16,640
and I loved your answer it was you're

1007
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:18,020
gonna ask me that what I have one minute

1008
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:20,300
left it's a huge contention and a

1009
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:22,100
misconception that ancient aliens is

1010
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:24,350
just about aliens came here and they

1011
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:26,540
built all of these amazing things that

1012
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:29,420
cultures get no credit for so I have to

1013
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:31,730
ask you what do you make of all these

1014
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:35,000
these these ideas and your role that you

1015
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:36,740
play in bringing that to the ancient

1016
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:39,470
aliens theory to that audience what do

1017
00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:40,250
you make of all that

1018
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:42,680
it's the biggest criticism I have as an

1019
00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:45,470
apologist from the scientific world just

1020
00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:48,260
the fact that I appear on ancient aliens

1021
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:51,500
and the problem with that is that I

1022
00:40:57,340 --> 00:40:54,110
think the scientific world is just as

1023
00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:57,350
ignorant about what they criticize as

1024
00:41:01,120 --> 00:40:59,180
the rest of the world is they probably

1025
00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:01,130
have never watched ancient aliens and

1026
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:03,140
just by looking at the title they

1027
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:05,030
probably think ancient aliens is all

1028
00:41:10,270 --> 00:41:07,880
about green people coming to the earth

1029
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:10,280
coming to Earth hundreds of thousands

1030
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:12,590
years ago and building structures with

1031
00:41:20,110 --> 00:41:15,590
technology for us and that is not the

1032
00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:20,120
case ancient aliens is literally a place

1033
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:22,580
where people ask questions and have

1034
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:25,850
unexplained theories and ancient aliens

1035
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:29,750
can sound deceiving but the ancient

1036
00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:32,450
Egyptian mythology with the gods and

1037
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:36,380
every job of every God just the gods of

1038
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:39,740
ancient Egypt is the definition of

1039
00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:43,700
ancient aliens an alien is a being that

1040
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:46,220
doesn't come from this earth whatever it

1041
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:49,970
is and if people believe in gods of

1042
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:52,820
ancient Egypt what is a God a God is a

1043
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,960
being that doesn't come from this earth

1044
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,720
so that is technically an alien but just

1045
00:42:02,350 --> 00:41:59,680
saying ancient aliens sound so bad when

1046
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,360
scientifically and theoretically when

1047
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:04,640
you think about it ancient Egyptian

1048
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:07,060
mythology is full of ancient aliens

1049
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:09,070
that's a really good point do your

1050
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:10,930
research look into the history of the

1051
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:12,550
place and then come to those conclusions

1052
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:15,010
I love that I love that so your next

1053
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:17,410
talk is going to be about mummies can

1054
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:18,850
you give us a little cap on what that's

1055
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:21,820
gonna be about my next talk is going to

1056
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:23,800
be about mummies not just because I'm

1057
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:25,660
obsessed with my I have a mummy fetish

1058
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:27,610
maybe I shouldn't be saying that but

1059
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:32,890
it's an exclusive but mummies are the

1060
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:38,230
one thing we actually have from ancient

1061
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:42,580
Egypt that is real everything else it

1062
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:45,340
could be anything but the mummies is the

1063
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:48,220
bodies of these ancient Egyptians and

1064
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:51,580
sometimes we don't realize that mummies

1065
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:53,410
a scary thing in a movie but those

1066
00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,570
mummies are human bodies those mummies

1067
00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:57,550
are dead people that are still here a

1068
00:43:02,970 --> 00:42:59,800
thousand years later those mummies are

1069
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:02,980
literally a time capsule that can tell

1070
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:04,990
us so much about the history of our

1071
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:07,210
ancestors when the technology is right

1072
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:10,930
and when will this air because I can

1073
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:16,480
tell you a secret oh I can't tell you

1074
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:19,030
that secret then but I'll give you a

1075
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:24,370
hint about the secret keep watching for

1076
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:29,800
me on TV for some announcement coming up

1077
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:34,390
and it mummies is the hint you've heard

1078
00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:36,460
it first here guys all right so we're

1079
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:38,470
gonna cap this off with you recently

1080
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:41,050
came out with a book I was so excited

1081
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:42,970
when I saw this coming out conspired can

1082
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:44,470
you tell us a little bit about this

1083
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:46,270
where we can find it and what to expect

1084
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:49,330
from it conspired is a book that is also

1085
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:52,170
about an unexplained mystery that

1086
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:55,330
strikes me as an archaeologist I went

1087
00:43:59,220 --> 00:43:57,010
inside a tomb in ancient Egypt that no

1088
00:44:01,230 --> 00:43:59,230
one is allowed into it's called kV 55

1089
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:01,240
and when I went inside it was unlike any

1090
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:03,850
other tomb bare walls no drawings all

1091
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:05,260
the way inside there's a sarcophagus

1092
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,780
with a mummy and around the mummy there

1093
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:10,720
is the magical blocks those magical

1094
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:12,850
blocks exist in every tomb they are the

1095
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,080
ones that protect the mummy from the

1096
00:44:17,309 --> 00:44:15,760
outer world because that's where people

1097
00:44:18,809 --> 00:44:17,319
think the mummy curse

1098
00:44:20,189 --> 00:44:18,819
they have inscriptions on them that says

1099
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:20,199
anyone that comes close to this mummy

1100
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:23,380
will be choked to death but in that tomb

1101
00:44:29,489 --> 00:44:25,930
specifically those magical blocks were

1102
00:44:32,759 --> 00:44:29,499
turned inwards instead of outwards which

1103
00:44:34,529 --> 00:44:32,769
tells you that whoever did this wanted

1104
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,539
to not protect this mummy from the outer

1105
00:44:38,999 --> 00:44:36,400
world but to protect the outer world

1106
00:44:39,479 --> 00:44:39,009
from this mummy on the way out of the

1107
00:44:41,189 --> 00:44:39,489
tomb

1108
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:41,199
there were inscriptions on the wall by

1109
00:44:46,049 --> 00:44:43,209
ancient Egyptian priests language the

1110
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,059
heretics and it says the evil one shall

1111
00:44:51,209 --> 00:44:49,119
not live again that took me on a journey

1112
00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:51,219
to try to solve this mystery and find

1113
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:53,799
the unexplained who could this be and

1114
00:44:58,859 --> 00:44:56,380
why did they treat him so bad what could

1115
00:45:01,079 --> 00:44:58,869
he have done and that's the book Wow

1116
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:01,089
where can we find it you can find it the

1117
00:45:07,459 --> 00:45:04,150
alien Khan store or amazon.com thank you

1118
00:45:10,349 --> 00:45:07,469
so much for joining me today

1119
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:10,359
another really interesting individual I

1120
00:45:16,739 --> 00:45:13,150
met and have been corresponding with for

1121
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:16,749
years now is dr. David Floyd I was so

1122
00:45:20,729 --> 00:45:18,729
honored to hear that he has been a

1123
00:45:23,819 --> 00:45:20,739
listener of somewhere in the skies since

1124
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:23,829
the very beginning and is even featured

1125
00:45:28,949 --> 00:45:26,049
some of my past articles in his

1126
00:45:32,219 --> 00:45:28,959
classroom as a professor of English at

1127
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:32,229
Charleston Southern University he gave

1128
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:34,690
perhaps one of the more unique talks at

1129
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:37,390
alien Cohn focused on the cultural

1130
00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:40,180
history of gothic science fiction and

1131
00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:43,329
it's connections to the UFO an alien

1132
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:45,819
question I have with me right now

1133
00:45:50,939 --> 00:45:49,209
David David spoke recently today right

1134
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:50,949
there wasn't yesterday yesterday you

1135
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:54,130
spoke all right and we we connected the

1136
00:45:58,739 --> 00:45:56,170
Facebook social network the glory of the

1137
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,749
Internet and leading up to this event we

1138
00:46:03,989 --> 00:46:01,839
were hashing out ideas on how to attack

1139
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:03,999
these things and I was so excited for

1140
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:07,420
your presentation but what happens as

1141
00:46:11,939 --> 00:46:10,119
these things often do my presentation

1142
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:11,949
was the same time as yours so I didn't

1143
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:13,690
get to see it so for those who didn't

1144
00:46:16,499 --> 00:46:15,130
get to see it and for the listeners can

1145
00:46:18,529 --> 00:46:16,509
you tell us a little about what you

1146
00:46:20,459 --> 00:46:18,539
spoke of here at alien time absolutely

1147
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:20,469
first of all it's great to be here and

1148
00:46:23,009 --> 00:46:21,609
finally meet you face to face because

1149
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,019
like you said we've been in touch with

1150
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:25,680
each other for really two years or so

1151
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:28,050
and poor Ryan I would send these

1152
00:46:30,859 --> 00:46:29,220
questions to him what does he think

1153
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:30,869
about this case or what does this mean

1154
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:32,609
and that type of thing because this

1155
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:35,339
whole world is a little new to me and

1156
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,130
it's my talk

1157
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:40,440
had to do with the title of it was a

1158
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:41,910
cultural history of gothic

1159
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:44,460
science-fiction Wow kind of a mouthful

1160
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:47,730
right and to sort of unpack that my my

1161
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:49,890
area of specialization I teach English

1162
00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:54,420
at Charleston Southern University and my

1163
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:56,790
area of specialization is 19th century

1164
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,410
literature mostly stuff like proto

1165
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,960
science fiction gothic fiction this type

1166
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:05,400
of stuff and for people that don't know

1167
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:07,170
what that it's you know Frankenstein

1168
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:10,380
Dracula dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde early

1169
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:12,150
science fiction that type of thing and

1170
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:15,510
so my focus has always been this sort of

1171
00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:17,190
Gothic literature and that type of thing

1172
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:19,349
and I started to look into science

1173
00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:21,480
fiction a little more and realized that

1174
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,300
science fiction sort of grew out of

1175
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,440
gothic fiction in a way that I was not

1176
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:27,780
even aware of and so for the last little

1177
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:29,099
bit I've been researching that and

1178
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:30,900
that's really what my talk was sort of

1179
00:47:35,059 --> 00:47:32,910
the Gothic roots of what we today

1180
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,069
consider to be science fiction which

1181
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,619
again was a little surprising to me as a

1182
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:39,839
researcher to discover that but I think

1183
00:47:46,819 --> 00:47:43,079
that the audience seemed to enjoy those

1184
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,829
connections that we made and told them

1185
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:48,000
you know next time you see a science

1186
00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:50,250
fiction film remember this particular

1187
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,670
thing that might have come from 1818 you

1188
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,160
know no I have to ask you when I think

1189
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,740
of gothic sci-fi or fiction

1190
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,020
Lovecraft comes to mind for me as well

1191
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,819
is that something you've looked into I

1192
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:05,280
did read Lovecraft quite a bit when I

1193
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:08,369
was in college and but because he's my

1194
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:11,849
focus is British literature and he in in

1195
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,119
19th century and he he was writing in

1196
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:17,640
you know 1920s or so in America that

1197
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:19,530
shows how much I know about the history

1198
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:21,450
what's interesting is one of the my

1199
00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:23,130
favorite writers from the 19th century

1200
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:24,990
is Arthur Mackin who's a little less

1201
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:26,970
known but he was actually Lovecraft

1202
00:48:31,870 --> 00:48:29,250
favorite writer so if you read Arthur

1203
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:31,880
Mackay and you can see how he influenced

1204
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:34,740
Lovecraft that comes along 30 40 50

1205
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:36,750
years later so that all these things are

1206
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:38,609
connected you know it's it's that's one

1207
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:39,150
of the fun

1208
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:41,310
things about researching literature and

1209
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:44,280
history is seeing those connections and

1210
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:48,030
and sort of how cultures produce things

1211
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:49,890
that tell us a lot about them you know

1212
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:53,550
so we are at alien con so I have to ask

1213
00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:56,910
you in terms of your talk what what do

1214
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:00,030
you think was the impetus for alien con

1215
00:49:04,850 --> 00:49:02,910
to be like wow this sounds really cool

1216
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:04,860
we have to include this in our in our

1217
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:07,230
itinerary what is the connection you

1218
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,730
sort of made with this presentation and

1219
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:11,280
the whole alien question or UFO

1220
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:11,940
phenomenon

1221
00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:14,940
are there any right so I will go to a

1222
00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:16,950
lot of conferences having to do with

1223
00:49:22,850 --> 00:49:18,840
literature and and that kind of thing

1224
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:22,860
and in the last few years or so I went

1225
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:24,390
to a couple of Bigfoot conferences and

1226
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:27,020
did a couple of talks having to do with

1227
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:32,580
stuff like like ogres and goblins or

1228
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,540
trolls and these types of large humanoid

1229
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:38,640
type creatures you know and throughout

1230
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:40,290
literature and folklore and all and and

1231
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:41,880
that seemed to appeal with that audience

1232
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:43,860
because it was sort of Bigfoot enough

1233
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:45,930
you know to sort of qualify as that type

1234
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:49,050
of creature and I enjoyed those a lot

1235
00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:51,150
and got to know a lot of good people in

1236
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:53,340
that world but I sort you know I did

1237
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:55,050
some presentations and I wrote an

1238
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:57,270
article that was published in a magazine

1239
00:50:01,220 --> 00:49:59,160
about it and that was that was about as

1240
00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:01,230
far as I wanted to go with that and so I

1241
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,270
started sort of looking around to

1242
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,460
something else along in this sort of

1243
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:08,220
world to to write about him and to

1244
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:11,490
discuss and research and science fiction

1245
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:14,150
seemed the logical sort of way to go

1246
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:16,680
because I do study literature and that

1247
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:20,010
type of thing and so I found out about

1248
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,250
alien con and contacted them and they

1249
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:25,920
seemed interested in what I had had to

1250
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:28,530
say and and that type of things so and

1251
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,490
again the the audience you never know

1252
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:33,780
you never know you know if you go if I

1253
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:35,670
go to a literary conference I know who

1254
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:37,350
my audience is you know but if you go to

1255
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:39,390
a Bigfoot up at the you know conference

1256
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:41,430
or a UFO conference you're not quite

1257
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:43,260
sure who's in the audience necessarily

1258
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,590
so I was pleasantly surprised at the the

1259
00:50:50,180 --> 00:50:48,720
reaction I got from the crowd and the

1260
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:50,190
questions they got they were really into

1261
00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:51,930
it and they they seemed to it seemed to

1262
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:54,990
resonate with them to those um sort of

1263
00:50:59,560 --> 00:50:56,760
cultural and literary connections to

1264
00:51:02,750 --> 00:50:59,570
something that I think we tend to think

1265
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,760
started in 1947 or so you know and and

1266
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:04,920
that there's this cult sort of history

1267
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:06,690
behind it you know that's really

1268
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:08,130
interesting you bring that up I mean we

1269
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:11,940
are at a an event hosted by ancient

1270
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:14,550
aliens of all things and a lot of us UFO

1271
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,580
researchers we do look 247 as the year

1272
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:20,520
that UFOs really occurred Kenneth Arnold

1273
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:24,390
sighting Roswell you know so many others

1274
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:26,850
that Thomas Mantell case where the guy

1275
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,610
died trying to pursue a UFO that's the

1276
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:31,440
modern UFO era for us but then you come

1277
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:32,700
to an event like this and they're saying

1278
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,950
no these things have been going on for a

1279
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,200
lot longer than people think and they

1280
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:39,300
might have been influencing our history

1281
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:40,710
so I'm gonna put you on the spot here

1282
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:44,310
ancient alien theory are you for are you

1283
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,250
against somewhere in the middle I did to

1284
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:50,400
be very conservative in my my belief

1285
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,650
very Orthodox in my religious beliefs

1286
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,960
however I would never put God in a box

1287
00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:57,480
and assume that he only had one project

1288
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:00,840
going on and why can't those two

1289
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:02,730
projects necessarily mingle with one

1290
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:05,640
another so I'm very open to to that that

1291
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:07,470
it doesn't compromise my religious

1292
00:52:12,740 --> 00:52:10,290
beliefs to think that you know we could

1293
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:12,750
have contact with another species or

1294
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:14,700
whatever are there any events here

1295
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,770
looking forward to seeing at the

1296
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,500
remainder here at a link on Baltimore I

1297
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:21,630
see you've got your itinerary schedule

1298
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:26,040
right here a planner if anything I'm

1299
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:27,720
looking forward to seeing a rich Dolan

1300
00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:33,270
speak and got it by the name of Jason

1301
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:34,620
McClellan they will be speaking later

1302
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:39,420
who I will look forward to see Hugh

1303
00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:41,790
Newman is another guy that whose work I

1304
00:52:46,850 --> 00:52:44,100
just recently discovered like a week ago

1305
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:46,860
and he studies megalithic structures and

1306
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,030
and that type of thing so I'm looking

1307
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:50,160
forward to seeing him speak and in fact

1308
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:51,810
there's another one who by Dolan and

1309
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:54,300
looking forward to so so yeah just the

1310
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:56,730
the cool thing is with a conference like

1311
00:53:01,520 --> 00:52:59,490
this you you listen to people's podcasts

1312
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:01,530
or you see them on YouTube or you read

1313
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:03,930
their books and to actually be standing

1314
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:05,190
next to them or in front of the

1315
00:53:08,839 --> 00:53:07,050
speaking to them and finally putting a

1316
00:53:12,980 --> 00:53:08,849
face with the name and the voice and all

1317
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,990
is it's very much a fanboy when I when I

1318
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:14,880
could come to something like this you

1319
00:53:20,059 --> 00:53:17,880
know so so it's that's been a great

1320
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:20,069
experience you know completely I'm with

1321
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:22,020
you on that man when you listen to these

1322
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:23,970
people see him on TV or listening to

1323
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:25,890
other shows you always imagine what they

1324
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:27,150
look like then you see them in the flesh

1325
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:28,650
and it is it's surreal

1326
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:32,280
and I that actually for me when I hear

1327
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:34,650
stories of UFO sightings or abduction

1328
00:53:38,059 --> 00:53:36,569
experiences it's the same thing I'm like

1329
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:38,069
I'm trying to picture these people and

1330
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,569
then it's when I meet them face to face

1331
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:42,180
where the story truly comes alive for me

1332
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:43,859
and I think it's genuine and authentic

1333
00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:45,450
so I think there's something to be said

1334
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,390
about human contact being face to face

1335
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:50,339
and having a communication with another

1336
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:51,750
human being I think that's very

1337
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:53,670
important and I think that's one thing

1338
00:53:58,339 --> 00:53:55,800
about your book number one is it it

1339
00:54:00,500 --> 00:53:58,349
looks into the people and not just the

1340
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:00,510
phenomenon you know and it's it's nuts

1341
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,730
and bolts are important but human beings

1342
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:05,520
and feelings are important too and in

1343
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:07,230
you tap into that in a way that I

1344
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:09,270
haven't seen done before that I really

1345
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:11,579
admire you know and another thing when

1346
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:12,990
you come to a conference like this so

1347
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:15,810
many of the personalities you know in

1348
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:18,089
our world or you know the the famous the

1349
00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:20,490
rock stars or whatever are typically

1350
00:54:25,579 --> 00:54:22,560
really approachable and and just

1351
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:25,589
interested in talking to you and a nice

1352
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:28,200
inviting atmosphere you know just last

1353
00:54:33,010 --> 00:54:30,869
week I took my son to an anime

1354
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:33,020
conference convict convention in

1355
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,550
Columbia and you know it's just one of

1356
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:36,780
those things where there's no judgment

1357
00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:38,250
whatsoever you know people are in

1358
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:39,750
costumes and all this type of thing and

1359
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:41,970
it's just a great experience for for him

1360
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:43,500
particularly several times he looked at

1361
00:54:46,099 --> 00:54:44,970
me said this is best day of my life kind

1362
00:54:48,859 --> 00:54:46,109
of thing you know it was just great and

1363
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:48,869
just as a dad you know but I enjoyed it

1364
00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:51,270
too because it was just this open-minded

1365
00:54:55,819 --> 00:54:54,030
place where you could ask questions and

1366
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:55,829
and just see what other people thought

1367
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:58,380
about things and also that um that was

1368
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:59,940
sort of the warm up to alien con this

1369
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:01,109
weekend you know I have to go to an

1370
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:05,310
anime I know that feeling I remember

1371
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:08,220
when my father came with me to a Phish

1372
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:10,710
concert the band Phish back in the day

1373
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,569
and that was an eye-opener for him but

1374
00:55:15,859 --> 00:55:14,220
again one of those moments he'll never

1375
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:15,869
forget I'll never forget and I know

1376
00:55:18,769 --> 00:55:18,210
alien con Baltimore is an experience

1377
00:55:20,899 --> 00:55:18,779
neither

1378
00:55:22,759 --> 00:55:20,909
we'll forget either so I got a thank you

1379
00:55:24,799 --> 00:55:22,769
for joining us on somewhere the skies

1380
00:55:26,929 --> 00:55:24,809
and unknown today my friend well it's an

1381
00:55:30,169 --> 00:55:26,939
honor I've been listening for since you

1382
00:55:33,289 --> 00:55:30,179
began and it's it's a honor to be here

1383
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:33,299
honors all mine considering I wrote an

1384
00:55:38,359 --> 00:55:36,359
entire chapter in UFOs reframing the

1385
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:38,369
debate mmm shameless plug

1386
00:55:43,399 --> 00:55:40,529
connecting Frankenstein to the UFO

1387
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,409
phenomenon it was amazing to hear all

1388
00:55:47,989 --> 00:55:45,119
about the parallels between Gothic

1389
00:55:51,439 --> 00:55:47,999
science fiction its evolution and its

1390
00:55:53,689 --> 00:55:51,449
connections with the topic of aliens it

1391
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:53,699
was an honor and pleasure to meet David

1392
00:55:59,959 --> 00:55:56,689
and I know his lectures have only begun

1393
00:56:02,029 --> 00:55:59,969
staying on the alien theme no convention

1394
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,039
dealing with these topics is complete

1395
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:04,799
without the inclusion of Travis Walton

1396
00:56:11,479 --> 00:56:07,140
crash course on Travis Waltons

1397
00:56:13,699 --> 00:56:11,489
experience in 1975 Walton and six other

1398
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:13,709
loggers were being driven home from

1399
00:56:18,439 --> 00:56:15,630
their logging site in sick grieves

1400
00:56:20,959 --> 00:56:18,449
National Forest by their employer Mike

1401
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:20,969
Rogers when what appeared to be a saucer

1402
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:23,689
shaped object was seen in the forest

1403
00:56:28,999 --> 00:56:26,579
Walton jumped out of the truck and ran

1404
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,009
toward the object which reportedly

1405
00:56:34,339 --> 00:56:31,140
zapped him with beam of light

1406
00:56:37,429 --> 00:56:34,349
Rogers sped away leaving Walton

1407
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,439
five days later Walton reappeared at a

1408
00:56:44,779 --> 00:56:40,319
local gas station saying that he'd been

1409
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:44,789
held aboard a UFO by aliens the cult

1410
00:56:51,229 --> 00:56:47,609
classic film fire in the sky was based

1411
00:56:53,509 --> 00:56:51,239
on Waltons story since the film many

1412
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,519
revelations have come to Walton about

1413
00:56:57,169 --> 00:56:55,559
what happened that night and we talked

1414
00:56:59,149 --> 00:56:57,179
about some of them right now

1415
00:57:00,649 --> 00:56:59,159
Travis thank you for taking the time to

1416
00:57:03,469 --> 00:57:00,659
talk to me alright well thanks for

1417
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:03,479
having me so this is alien Con your

1418
00:57:07,249 --> 00:57:05,819
first time at this event what do you

1419
00:57:09,919 --> 00:57:07,259
make of this you've been to so many

1420
00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:09,929
countries and States doing these events

1421
00:57:16,249 --> 00:57:13,319
for years now how is this event

1422
00:57:19,099 --> 00:57:16,259
specifically stood out to you well you

1423
00:57:21,529 --> 00:57:19,109
know your typical UFO convention has a

1424
00:57:23,689 --> 00:57:21,539
certain traditional styles been around

1425
00:57:25,699 --> 00:57:23,699
for years I you know this I've been

1426
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:25,709
doing this for decades this is unique

1427
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:30,510
the specialization of this organization

1428
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,630
it comes from a different orientation so

1429
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:35,760
it's a little bit different but it's

1430
00:57:41,059 --> 00:57:38,430
certainly working quite well I've had a

1431
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:41,069
great time here and very enthusiastic

1432
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:45,210
crowd I'm sure that the deeper they get

1433
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:48,180
into the subject and learn more about it

1434
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:50,569
that they'll become more adept at the

1435
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,369
peculiarities of the of the topic of the

1436
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:55,680
field but I think they're doing a great

1437
00:58:01,279 --> 00:57:59,220
job I think so as well and Jason and I

1438
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:01,289
are going to be doing a panel today on

1439
00:58:07,579 --> 00:58:05,549
UFOs and pop culture and you're filmed

1440
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:07,589
version of your experience comes up a

1441
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:09,510
lot when it comes to that we spoke to a

1442
00:58:13,549 --> 00:58:11,010
gentleman yesterday came up to us to

1443
00:58:15,410 --> 00:58:13,559
talk at our table and he said have you

1444
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:15,420
guys ever seen fire in this guy and you

1445
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:18,150
know you were right across there from us

1446
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:20,940
and we told him we not only have cede

1447
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:22,980
fire in the sky but look over there you

1448
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:24,510
know and when he pointed to you and

1449
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:26,099
really that's the guy that happened to

1450
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:28,410
and he's like well it just turned to

1451
00:58:32,059 --> 00:58:29,849
white as a ghost and he couldn't believe

1452
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:32,069
it so the fact that a random stranger

1453
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:34,380
had seen a film based on your experience

1454
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,410
that that really shows that a lot of

1455
00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:39,420
these topics have gone mainstream

1456
00:58:44,059 --> 00:58:42,059
everyday people are talking about it now

1457
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:44,069
so I have to ask you where do you stand

1458
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,460
now on the people who have seen the film

1459
00:58:52,339 --> 00:58:50,220
as opposed to hearing your actual story

1460
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,349
well you know the probably the most

1461
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:54,660
common question is how accurate is the

1462
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,099
film compared to what really happened

1463
00:59:01,940 --> 00:58:58,380
and so how do you answer that question

1464
00:59:06,019 --> 00:59:01,950
so I come up with a kind of smart reply

1465
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:06,029
about 83.4% you know because how you

1466
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:08,010
quantify that but you know what I what I

1467
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:09,990
try to say is you know I start listening

1468
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:11,609
a few things that were changed in the

1469
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:13,410
film you know there were seven of us out

1470
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:16,920
there the film had us at five when I was

1471
00:59:21,859 --> 00:59:18,839
returned it was not raining and I was

1472
00:59:23,779 --> 00:59:21,869
not naked and and you know most of the

1473
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:23,789
stuff aboard the craft was fiction but

1474
00:59:29,299 --> 00:59:27,599
that was hidden from me when I was

1475
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:29,309
initially given a copy of the script

1476
00:59:36,019 --> 00:59:32,670
that portion of the movie was not in it

1477
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:36,029
and the excuse being that it was a work

1478
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:38,130
in progress but I think they knew I

1479
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:39,569
wasn't going to like the the

1480
00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:40,590
fictionalization

1481
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:43,320
but I've been in discussion with a

1482
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:45,150
number of film makers about doing a

1483
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:50,420
remake who favor the idea of making it a

1484
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,710
miniseries rather than a feature film

1485
00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:55,260
and and I'm in favor of that idea myself

1486
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,420
because it gives me the opportunity to

1487
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,640
include a lot more of the associated

1488
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:01,680
science that comes with it without you

1489
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:04,740
know having too big a dose or alarming

1490
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:08,220
people that they're being educated right

1491
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:10,530
and I mean another big thing that's come

1492
01:00:13,850 --> 01:00:11,730
out in the last couple years was the

1493
01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:13,860
documentary based on you which I had the

1494
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,870
pleasure of going to a screening in New

1495
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:18,240
York City of with Jennifer Stein and

1496
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:20,010
other members who worked with you on

1497
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:21,690
that film so how was that experience

1498
01:00:28,580 --> 01:00:25,290
finally getting an accurate portrayal of

1499
01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:28,590
what occurred that night to you I think

1500
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:32,340
it's really helped people a lot and the

1501
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:36,990
the documentary is relatively new and

1502
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:39,720
has not been aired yet although it's

1503
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:43,370
been entered and won awards in dozens of

1504
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:48,510
film festivals at one the daughter of

1505
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:50,550
the actor who played the sheriff in the

1506
01:00:57,830 --> 01:00:54,150
movie James Garner's daughter his only

1507
01:01:01,070 --> 01:00:57,840
offspring Gigi made a point of attending

1508
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:01,080
so that she could sort of apologize on

1509
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:04,290
behalf of her father that she wanted me

1510
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:06,210
to know that he you know regretted

1511
01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:07,950
playing the skeptic because he believed

1512
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,230
us and I think that's kind of ironic

1513
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:13,760
because a kind of a similar situation

1514
01:01:19,610 --> 01:01:17,370
existed with the real-life sheriff his

1515
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,620
friends and family were saying well

1516
01:01:24,590 --> 01:01:21,660
privately he believes you guys but you

1517
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:24,600
know publicly he's playing the play you

1518
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:27,210
know he identified with you know and and

1519
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:29,550
really was flattered by being portrayed

1520
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,330
by a Western icon like James Garner so

1521
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,520
he a posture to the public like he was

1522
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:37,920
much more of a skeptic but but the film

1523
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,240
you're talking about the Travis

1524
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,240
documentary the sheriff actually finally

1525
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:44,720
concedes well

1526
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:48,250
they were trying to tell the truth

1527
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:50,570
that's a good point and I mean other

1528
01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:52,130
people have also come forward

1529
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,020
you know the polygraph examiner that did

1530
01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:55,520
the lie-detector tests with the other

1531
01:02:00,910 --> 01:01:58,040
gentleman and all these people are you

1532
01:02:03,339 --> 01:02:00,920
know still what what's always fascinated

1533
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:03,349
all of us in the UFO research community

1534
01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:06,590
is none of your stories have ever really

1535
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:10,790
swayed and that to us means you know not

1536
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:14,420
only legitimacy but that this is real

1537
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:16,490
you know with there's so many cases out

1538
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:19,130
there that are sensationalized and you

1539
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:21,050
know that we take with a grain of salt

1540
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:23,240
but the one case we always come back to

1541
01:02:28,510 --> 01:02:25,460
is yours so what do you make of that

1542
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:28,520
what about all these other thousands of

1543
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,630
people who have claimed to have been

1544
01:02:34,089 --> 01:02:32,240
taken or had an experience what do you

1545
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:34,099
make of that well it certainly prepares

1546
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,440
me to be much more open to what's being

1547
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:38,480
claimed I personally don't believe

1548
01:02:43,089 --> 01:02:40,130
everything that's being claimed out

1549
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:43,099
there but I think you know probably

1550
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:45,890
lying is far less frequent than people

1551
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:48,220
there who are just mistaken they

1552
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:51,050
experienced an extremely vivid dream of

1553
01:02:58,030 --> 01:02:54,530
some sort or must mistaken some other

1554
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,040
sort of event as being what they

1555
01:03:03,400 --> 01:02:59,839
experienced but still this is a very

1556
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:03,410
real phenomenon and you're far from

1557
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:06,830
being this astonishing thing you know

1558
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:09,710
that's a shotgun all kind of a thing

1559
01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:13,160
when you get right down to it if there

1560
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:17,720
was no other life that's what would be

1561
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:21,560
amazing you know when you when you do

1562
01:03:26,849 --> 01:03:23,450
the calculations based on the science

1563
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:26,859
you know the number of possibly

1564
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:29,750
life-supporting planets and in in our

1565
01:03:34,660 --> 01:03:32,210
own galaxy that's what would be amazing

1566
01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:34,670
is if you know being millions of years

1567
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:37,190
older than us they had not found some

1568
01:03:41,859 --> 01:03:39,380
way to venture forth I mean virtually

1569
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:41,869
everything technological we have is a

1570
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:42,980
few hundred years old

1571
01:03:49,150 --> 01:03:47,570
and so if we give a civilization a few

1572
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:49,160
thousand a hundred thousand or a few

1573
01:03:55,330 --> 01:03:53,420
million years to progress certainly

1574
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:55,340
they're zipping around

1575
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:57,650
there now the last question I want to

1576
01:04:02,460 --> 01:03:59,450
ask you Travis is I've I've heard

1577
01:04:05,290 --> 01:04:02,470
recently you've been giving lectures on

1578
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:05,300
sort of an update to your case some

1579
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:08,090
revelation you've made of possibly why

1580
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:10,550
the craft was there and why it did what

1581
01:04:14,740 --> 01:04:12,500
it did to you would you mind maybe

1582
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:14,750
briefly going going into that with us

1583
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:16,730
about what they their motives may have

1584
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:18,800
been well sure you know we looked into

1585
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:21,500
what they might have been there for some

1586
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:23,230
of the other guys on the crew said oh

1587
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:25,790
they were and they were laying for us

1588
01:04:29,770 --> 01:04:27,380
they were you know they knew we were

1589
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:29,780
coming and they were gonna you know you

1590
01:04:33,610 --> 01:04:31,670
were the target and I always favored the

1591
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:33,620
idea that it was a random accident and I

1592
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:36,410
guess partly because my biased hoped

1593
01:04:44,890 --> 01:04:40,550
that it was not likely to repeat but we

1594
01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:44,900
looked into underground water that might

1595
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:47,960
be there magnetic lines of force mineral

1596
01:04:56,530 --> 01:04:51,820
deposits Maps but that sort of thing but

1597
01:04:59,200 --> 01:04:56,540
here recently I did a show with Rob Lowe

1598
01:05:02,440 --> 01:04:59,210
and his son's a it's called willow files

1599
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:02,450
and my episode was first and the second

1600
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,450
half was this lady that deals with the

1601
01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:08,720
properties of certain crystals and she

1602
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:13,160
sells and deals with these crystals gem

1603
01:05:18,430 --> 01:05:15,100
shows but they you know they're they're

1604
01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:18,440
reputed as having various properties but

1605
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:21,800
the one thing that Rob Lowe said that

1606
01:05:26,050 --> 01:05:23,990
really struck me as he said Travis said

1607
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:26,060
that the aliens were possibly in the

1608
01:05:31,420 --> 01:05:29,660
area mining for fulgurite and which

1609
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:31,430
totally astonished me because I'd never

1610
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:34,100
heard of fulgurite before but that tide

1611
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:37,730
right in with the fact that that area

1612
01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:39,110
right there has the second highest

1613
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:41,870
frequency of lightning strikes in the

1614
01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:42,650
United States

1615
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:45,740
I discovered that fulgurite is a mineral

1616
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:48,830
that's formed so it's a crystal that's

1617
01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:50,590
formed when lightning strikes the ground

1618
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,540
you got millions of degrees millions of

1619
01:05:59,260 --> 01:05:56,720
volts combined creating substances that

1620
01:06:02,650 --> 01:05:59,270
cannot be formed geologically so

1621
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:02,660
although I didn't say that I thought Wow

1622
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:05,720
serendipity that is a probably the most

1623
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:07,510
plausible a

1624
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,130
the nation of what they might have been

1625
01:06:13,590 --> 01:06:11,440
doing there and further might have even

1626
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:13,600
explained the blast of energy that hit

1627
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:15,850
me as being something that was generated

1628
01:06:19,410 --> 01:06:18,340
by this high propensity for lightning

1629
01:06:22,260 --> 01:06:19,420
strikes in the area

1630
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:22,270
if the craft itself was generating some

1631
01:06:27,630 --> 01:06:25,330
kind of a electromagnetic field it may

1632
01:06:30,210 --> 01:06:27,640
have triggered some kind of a the

1633
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:30,220
discharge of lightning that were the

1634
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:33,370
secondary discharge that struck me and

1635
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:37,140
so all that tied together with the

1636
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:40,720
effect of the craft the presence of the

1637
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:45,550
craft itself on the growth rate of the

1638
01:06:50,730 --> 01:06:48,510
trees surrounding the clearing there and

1639
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:50,740
so you got hit

1640
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:52,750
you know everyone left they eventually

1641
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:54,970
come back to look for you and then we

1642
01:07:00,090 --> 01:06:57,610
have your your story about what happened

1643
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:00,100
on the craft and know now you think

1644
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:01,750
there was a reason they brought you on

1645
01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:03,490
the craft am I correct so that it's

1646
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:05,080
something you've you've come to think

1647
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:07,390
about lately yeah so you know the final

1648
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:10,150
comment there about the the discharge

1649
01:07:15,980 --> 01:07:12,580
the Lightning blast that could have been

1650
01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:15,990
fatal or nearly fatal and very likely

1651
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:19,180
they possessing the only technology that

1652
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:21,610
could rescue me at that point nearest

1653
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:24,610
hospital being over an hour away so my

1654
01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:27,370
theory went from abduction to sort of a

1655
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:32,200
ambulance call and that mean why they

1656
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:34,630
would have found it necessary to take me

1657
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,630
aboard my last question for Travis

1658
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:40,000
before we wrap things up I think they're

1659
01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:41,260
ever going to come back is that

1660
01:07:46,170 --> 01:07:43,660
something you've ever really questioned

1661
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:46,180
or thought about or want or not want to

1662
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:46,570
happen

1663
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:49,960
I think they've never left that is a

1664
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,390
perfect way to end it Travis thank you

1665
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:54,400
so much for taking the time a rescue

1666
01:07:59,760 --> 01:07:57,070
operation makes so much sense when you

1667
01:08:01,980 --> 01:07:59,770
look at this case it's good to know that

1668
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:01,990
Travis Walton still is searching for

1669
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:03,880
answers to what happened to him and will

1670
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,890
be listening every step of the way

1671
01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:08,140
no matter your thoughts on alien

1672
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:10,600
abduction or even the claims by Travis

1673
01:08:15,420 --> 01:08:13,270
Walton and his crew there is no doubt

1674
01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:15,430
that something happened in the forest

1675
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:17,859
that night and it remains one of the

1676
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:20,410
most credible and documented multi

1677
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:21,250
witnessed event

1678
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:25,089
in UFO history another very interesting

1679
01:08:31,530 --> 01:08:27,430
panel that I got to listen to was that

1680
01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:31,540
of Paul Hynek Paul is the son of J Allen

1681
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,150
Hynek an astronomer who was hired by the

1682
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:37,839
US Air Force to investigate UFOs under

1683
01:08:41,789 --> 01:08:39,250
Project Blue Book

1684
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:41,799
he went from a staunch skeptic to

1685
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:44,020
open-minded believer in the course of

1686
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:46,720
his time working on the project and with

1687
01:08:51,630 --> 01:08:49,330
immense pressure to debunk the cases he

1688
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:51,640
investigated he rebelled against the

1689
01:08:56,340 --> 01:08:53,770
government and at the end of Project

1690
01:08:59,370 --> 01:08:56,350
Blue Book he subsequently began his own

1691
01:09:03,570 --> 01:08:59,380
UFO investigation organization known as

1692
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:03,580
the Center for UFO studies recently it

1693
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:05,350
was announced that the History Channel

1694
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:07,480
was working on a television series all

1695
01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:10,410
about Hynek and Project Blue Book

1696
01:09:15,809 --> 01:09:13,029
attendees at alien Con were treated to a

1697
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:15,819
special sneak peak of the show and I was

1698
01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:18,310
lucky enough to attend the Q&A with Paul

1699
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:21,100
hi Nick here's a small soundbite of Paul

1700
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:23,290
talking about the Condon committee in

1701
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:25,960
which his father was a member but was

1702
01:09:37,710 --> 01:09:28,600
brushed aside in his determinations of

1703
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:40,080
report to wreckage spread ability

1704
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:42,160
decided passages from the report like

1705
01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:44,050
the probability that at least one

1706
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:46,720
genuine UFO was involved appears fairly

1707
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:49,060
high according to begin saying this is

1708
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:51,210
the most puzzling radar case on record

1709
01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:53,770
encoded it's saying a great mass of

1710
01:09:58,440 --> 01:09:55,240
these reports are a challenge to this

1711
01:10:00,690 --> 01:09:58,450
journalist and lastly he said them the

1712
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:00,700
report says this unusual sighting should

1713
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,590
therefore be assigned to the category of

1714
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:04,960
some almost certainly natural phenomenon

1715
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:08,080
one that is so rare that it has never

1716
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:17,920
happened before or since Project Blue

1717
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:20,410
Book was shut down yeah I think there's

1718
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:22,750
probably no worship practice in science

1719
01:10:28,020 --> 01:10:25,630
than having a reporter whose conclusion

1720
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:28,030
doesn't jive with its own internal data

1721
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:30,580
maybe that's just that's just a Keystone

1722
01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:33,970
Kops rule so the common committee I

1723
01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:35,860
don't think it really shut down the book

1724
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:38,470
they were going to shut it down and they

1725
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:41,650
just needed something so they concocted

1726
01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:47,650
this shambles channels of a study to do

1727
01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:50,470
that there is correspondence between the

1728
01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:54,100
secretary of common and my father where

1729
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:56,620
she's declining the whole box and saying

1730
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,170
you know this is a kangaroo court this

1731
01:11:03,630 --> 01:11:01,360
is they're not looking to be honest this

1732
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,640
is just a PR stunt

1733
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:06,640
and it was you know sort of an echo with

1734
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:08,770
the earlier Robertson panel does the

1735
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:25,600
government ever to the magnitude this

1736
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:28,510
was a very rare treat and I'm so happy I

1737
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:30,100
got to hear Paul talk all about his

1738
01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:33,070
father in an honest light and it was

1739
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,080
even more special to hear him talk about

1740
01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:37,600
being a kid and his father coming home

1741
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:40,300
and over dinner talking about some of

1742
01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:43,180
the cases he was investigating it was a

1743
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:45,880
glimpse into the life and career of a

1744
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:48,940
man we highly respect in the UFO field

1745
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:52,630
and in January we'll go mainstream on

1746
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:54,010
the History Channel

1747
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:56,890
be sure to check out the show and stay

1748
01:12:02,400 --> 01:11:59,460
tuned for an exclusive interview with

1749
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:02,410
creative team members of Project Blue

1750
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,860
Book coming soon the final interview

1751
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:08,320
here is with my publisher and UFO

1752
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:11,530
historian Richard Dolan stepping out of

1753
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:14,290
his usual lecture topics Dolan decided

1754
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:17,650
to cover something very different we are

1755
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:20,050
moving into a strange new world of

1756
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:23,920
enhanced humans or even post humans in

1757
01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:27,580
other words a transhuman world science

1758
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:30,040
is now on the verge of redefining the

1759
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:32,920
human species which could happen within

1760
01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:35,560
our lifetimes some people think it's

1761
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:38,830
good Dolan thinks different hey Ryan I'm

1762
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,570
glad to be here with you cool man so I

1763
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:42,400
just came from a panel that you are a

1764
01:12:45,870 --> 01:12:43,720
part of with Steve Bassett Jason

1765
01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:45,880
McClellan Alejandro Rojas that was post

1766
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:47,200
disclosure can you tell us a little

1767
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:49,330
about how that went I thought it was

1768
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,980
actually really fun it was interesting

1769
01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:53,440
Steve Bassett ran it he sort of

1770
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,200
moderated instead of directed it and it

1771
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:58,000
was primarily people from the audience

1772
01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:01,500
asking questions so it was interesting

1773
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:04,540
we didn't really get into the the idea

1774
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:06,970
of a post to disclosure or world because

1775
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:09,340
it was essentially answering questions

1776
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:11,110
from the audience but most most of the

1777
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:13,050
questions were pretty on point and

1778
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:15,850
interesting in their own way so I had

1779
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:18,090
and it was a really interesting

1780
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:20,440
structure he did whoever the the

1781
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:22,210
audience asked all the questions right

1782
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,220
and those were some of the most concise

1783
01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:26,080
questions I've heard on the topic of

1784
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:28,780
disclosure at any like UFO conference

1785
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:30,730
I've been to so yeah that was great

1786
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:32,110
how some very highly discerning

1787
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:33,670
questions one of the last ones I thought

1788
01:13:36,690 --> 01:13:35,080
stood out with me which was the

1789
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:36,700
gentleman who said look how do we really

1790
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:38,230
know what the intentions of these other

1791
01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:40,180
beings are even if we if we're told

1792
01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:42,190
they're good or how does the government

1793
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:44,620
know what their intentions are and how

1794
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,450
do we how do we ever get to a point

1795
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:49,120
where we can understand one way or the

1796
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:51,100
other and you know I think there was a

1797
01:13:56,420 --> 01:13:52,750
lot of very thoughtful people on this

1798
01:14:00,120 --> 01:13:56,430
whole issue and some of the issues about

1799
01:14:01,980 --> 01:14:00,130
what one was on Antarctica and I haven't

1800
01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:01,990
it's interesting I didn't actually

1801
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:04,120
address that one directly but Antarctica

1802
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:06,550
is one of those things that I did not

1803
01:14:10,020 --> 01:14:08,620
give a lot of time and thought to over

1804
01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:10,030
the years but recently I've come to

1805
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:11,830
think maybe there's something to some of

1806
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:14,530
these leaks about Antarctica and so

1807
01:14:18,210 --> 01:14:16,060
there's just a lot of interesting

1808
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:18,220
questions that came up and I enjoyed

1809
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:19,810
being on in fact I should remember them

1810
01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:21,850
all because I did the majority of the

1811
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:24,340
talking well you know what I thought was

1812
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:26,290
really cool too was that um it kind of

1813
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:28,450
led into a lot of the topics you're

1814
01:14:32,970 --> 01:14:29,890
gonna be talking about at your actual

1815
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:32,980
presentation as well in terms of AI and

1816
01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:33,490
all that

1817
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:34,900
could he tell us maybe a little about

1818
01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:36,250
what you're gonna be talking about with

1819
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:37,960
that absolutely well you just made me

1820
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:39,850
realize one of the questions was you

1821
01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:41,830
know if we're thinking of UFO disclosure

1822
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:43,960
it's not like that occurs in a vacuum

1823
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:45,070
there are other important things going

1824
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,900
on in this world in relating to the

1825
01:14:52,340 --> 01:14:49,120
global environment in relating relation

1826
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:52,350
to technology changes in relation to our

1827
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:54,130
transformation of the global political

1828
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:56,260
and economic and financial situation all

1829
01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:58,210
of these things are happening very very

1830
01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:00,610
powerfully right now and any kind of

1831
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:02,590
disclosure on the UFO reality occurs

1832
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:05,410
within that context that does lead me to

1833
01:15:10,110 --> 01:15:06,970
the talk that I'm going to be giving in

1834
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:10,120
about 20 minutes on it's not related to

1835
01:15:14,130 --> 01:15:12,450
the UFO issue directly it's on

1836
01:15:16,410 --> 01:15:14,140
artificial intelligence and

1837
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:16,420
transhumanism which has been one of the

1838
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:19,750
issues that have gotten into I've been

1839
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:21,100
interested in for a while but

1840
01:15:26,010 --> 01:15:23,770
particularly this year and I simply want

1841
01:15:28,879 --> 01:15:26,020
to talk about how there's a definite

1842
01:15:32,959 --> 01:15:28,889
utopian element to a lot of the transit

1843
01:15:34,339 --> 01:15:32,969
- ideology these individuals who you

1844
01:15:36,020 --> 01:15:34,349
know they're looking at not just

1845
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:36,030
artificial intelligence but genetic

1846
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,179
modifications gene therapy and talking

1847
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:40,800
like you're going to be able to live

1848
01:15:44,389 --> 01:15:42,659
forever or you'll be able to live at

1849
01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:44,399
least not if not forever then for many

1850
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:46,349
hundreds of years without getting sick

1851
01:15:49,759 --> 01:15:49,380
or we're in very excellent health and so

1852
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:49,769
forth

1853
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:51,300
that's all very seductive and very nice

1854
01:15:57,069 --> 01:15:53,010
but transhumanism doesn't stop there

1855
01:16:00,040 --> 01:15:57,079
it's really about the creation of a

1856
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,050
superhuman species in the future and

1857
01:16:04,429 --> 01:16:02,880
transhumanists absolutely believe this I

1858
01:16:06,679 --> 01:16:04,439
mean many of them absolutely strongly

1859
01:16:08,299 --> 01:16:06,689
believe us and there's a the utopianism

1860
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,309
is something that I'm familiar with in

1861
01:16:13,009 --> 01:16:10,320
the UFO community because there's a very

1862
01:16:14,540 --> 01:16:13,019
strong utopian element there you know if

1863
01:16:16,219 --> 01:16:14,550
we only have disclosure then we'll solve

1864
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:16,229
all the world's problems or if the

1865
01:16:21,919 --> 01:16:19,320
galactic brotherhood or Federation were

1866
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,929
to bring us into the next spiritual

1867
01:16:25,969 --> 01:16:23,699
awakening then our society will be

1868
01:16:27,879 --> 01:16:25,979
better and you know these are let's fix

1869
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,889
all of humanity's problems type

1870
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:30,239
ideologies and and in transhumanism

1871
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:33,570
there's a similar utopian strain going

1872
01:16:37,699 --> 01:16:35,820
on here it says if if we only were to

1873
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make ourselves smarter and stronger and

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live longer will you know we'll all be

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happy and we'll solve all of our

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problems and the computers will fix all

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the problems that we're not able to

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solve and something tells me that

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there's this whole thing I think about

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called the law of unintended

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consequences you know I think of Jeff

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Goldblum's character in Jurassic Park he

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said was it just because you can do

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something doesn't mean you should and

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one of the great lines in any movie and

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I believe that that's what we're looking

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at with this transhumanism I think that

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we're transforming ourselves so

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radically that there's going to be some

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very disruptive and probably dangerous

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unintended consequences and I can't

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pretend that I know them all but I think

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I'm very much not one of the immortal

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ists I don't believe that people should

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live forever I think that we really have

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genuine change in our world because we

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have new generations that come up and

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come along and and think differently I

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I'm not a believer that most people

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really think differently once they hit a

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certain age I think it's very rare but

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it's Nuge

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generations coming on board that that do

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think differently and that's a really

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fascinating topic like unlike anything

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I've heard you talk about before oh yeah

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that well and also just the the thing is

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that we are transforming ourselves even

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even without trying to go pedal to the

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metal with gene therapy or cognitive

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implants or whatever else we have been

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transforming ourselves in the past

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10,000 years simply due to sedentary

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agriculture and we're not the same

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version of the species that even our

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forebears were 10,000 years ago but even

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now our current state of civilization is

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is ramping things up to a much greater

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degree so we're we're changing and it's

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a kind of not self-directed evolution

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but it is an evolutionary process that

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is driven by our civilization and what

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we're doing with transhumanism is simply

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taking that and and really going with

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great focus and direction one thing that

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I think we can definitely say that is

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going to be a problem is the total loss

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of privacy I think in in the near future

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what we're dealing with is the the end I

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mean we think privacy is done now but

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compared even with 10 20 years from now

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we'll will look back on this time as an

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era of great relative privacy because in

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an era of coming 5g technology Internet

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of Things where everything can talk to

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each other and where all data is being

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siphoned out of your refrigerator your

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stove your toaster your your car and

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everything else there is no place where

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you'll ever be able to go where you will

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have any semblance of privacy and where

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the data about your entire life will be

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siphoned and used for the benefit of

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organizations that know how to make use

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of it they'll be able to put together a

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better personality profile of you than

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and you can and much much more so

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there's the privacy is is going to be so

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completely gone and what that will do to

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our society what that will do to our

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personalities is a good question to ask

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because in an era of no privacy it seems

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to me that we're in danger of developing

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almost a hive mentality to a far greater

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degree than we've ever imagined

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because if there's no privacy people are

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gonna be less and less inclined to speak

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up speak up their own mind and I think

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we're moving toward a culture of a very

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great conformity which is terrifying and

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but extremely fascinating and we can

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only sort of approach it with knowledge

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of it right yeah and but a lot of people

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I think will be perfectly cool with it

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because they'll be able to live in their

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total immersive virtual reality

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environments where they can be celebrity

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millionaires and have that whole thing

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happening so even in a world where

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there's there's nothing genuinely

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nothing deep to offer a lot of people I

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mean how what are you gonna do if you

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live for 500 years you're gonna go to

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the same job punch the clock at some

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office I wouldn't think so

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I don't know what people will do but one

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thing is you can just see this happening

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where there would be a kind of

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increasingly greater and greater

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development on crazed virtual reality

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environments to stimulate people and to

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keep them happy and I can only they

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can't even begin to imagine how good

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being either well I look forward to

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going to the talk I know you've got to

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get going in there pretty soon so thank

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you so much for taking the time to do

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this rich where can we find everything

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you're doing you're I mean you are

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talking about all different things here

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at alien con on your website and

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everything so what can we find that yeah

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I love all the things I talk about there

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they all engage me probably believe my

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main site Richard only members calm I

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have a YouTube channel with Richard

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Dolan it's a lot of the information I

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have goes out there but basically the

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members site is probably what it's about

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I do have a newsletter I would say look

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go go - Richard only members subscribe

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to the newsletter and it tells people

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what I'm up to every single week great

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thank you so much rich thanks Ryan the

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prospect of all of this is both exciting

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interesting and downright terrifying if

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trends support these observations then

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we really have to be careful moving

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forward either way it was great hearing

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from rich as always even if it's on a

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topic as controversial as this but he's

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pretty well known for that anyways well

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that just about does it for this epic

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alien condemn so dove someone in the

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this event is unlike anything I've ever

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experienced and as it grows I only see a

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brighter platform for serious UFO

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researchers to share their work with one

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another and with the public the UFO

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topic is going mainstream like never

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before and the number of people

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attending these events is only growing I

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and remember keep your feet on the

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